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Tuesday, March 28, 2006

Four Things I Wish Non-Gay Christians Knew About Gay People

Mike Cope's blog has an account (and a long discussion in the comments) about the Soulforce Equality Ride, which recently visited Abilene Christian University. It sounds like ACU did a great job of welcoming the riders, and it seems that some really good discussion and mutual sharing occurred. Both sides seem to have been blessed by the encounter. This is a huge contrast from the reaction that Soulforce got at some other "Christian" colleges, where the campuses were locked down like a prison, and some of the riders were arrested by campus police for trespassing. I'm really grateful that ACU handled this so well. (You can read more about it here, here and here.) However, reading through the comments at Mike's blog, I was surprised and disappointed at many of the things people were saying there. It prompted this list:

Four Things I Wish Non-Gay Christians Knew About Gay People
  1. "Gay" and "Christian" are not opposites.
  2. No-one "chooses" to be gay.
  3. "Homosexual" is a bad word.
  4. It's not fair to blame homosexuality for every bad thing that a gay person does, or for every bad thing that happens to a gay person.
1. "Gay" and "Christian" are not opposites.
Many of the commenters spoke about "gays" and "Christians" as if they were two mutually exclusive groups. One commenter remarked that she had assumed that the Equality Riders would be non-Christian. She was surprised to hear many of them describe their faith journeys, and talk about being followers of Jesus, and their desire to grow in Christ-likeness.

I really wish this wasn't such a surprise for people. There are lots of gay Christians! Did you know that:
  • One of the largest organizations of gay and lesbian people in the world is a Christian denomination?
  • The Cathedral of Hope, a Christian church in Dallas, Texas, is made up primarily of gay people, and has 3000+ members?
  • There are many more gay Christians spread throughout the rest of the Christian denominations?
So, here's a memo to those commenters who spoke about the Equality Ride as an opportunity to "Share the Good News" with "those" gay people: Thank you very much! Really! The good news is for everyone, and I'm glad you want to share it. But please be aware, lots of us have already heard the Good News. And we believe it.

2. No-one "chooses" to be gay.
One of the presentations which Soulforce made at ACU involved telling stories of violence committed against gay people. One of the commenters at Mike Cope's blog basically had this response (paraphrased): "Oh, well. I don't really condone the violence, but people have to realize that their CHOICES have CONSEQUENCES." The "choice" involved here is supposedly gay people's choice to be gay. And the consequences apparently include being the victims of violence.

In an otherwise thoughtful and sensitive blog post, Chris Field referred to the "decision to be homosexual." (He later clarified his language - thanks, Chris!).

Let me be clear here: GAY PEOPLE DO NOT "CHOOSE" TO BE GAY. Note that this is not the same thing as saying "Homosexuality is genetic." I acknowledge that science has not proven that, although the weight of the evidence does seem to indicate that there is a strong biological component (either genetic, or having to do with conditions within the womb). But the root cause of homosexuality is a different question from the question of whether it is a "choice." As I mentioned to Chris at his blog, we don't need scientific studies to find out whether gay people choose to be gay. All we need to do is ask some gay people. Unless you want to accuse us all (including your Christian brothers and sisters) of being liars, then the answer is clear. Nearly all of us simply experience our gayness as a given. We didn't choose it.

3. "Homosexual" is a bad word.
Update: Please see a clarification about this point in the comments
A personal request: Please stop referring to us as "homosexuals." There are several problems with referring to people with this word -
  • It was created in a clinical setting to describe a disease - a mental disorder.
  • It has the word "sex" right in the middle of it. Gay people's lives are not all about sex.
  • Various anti-gay organizations use the word with a definite, negative, pejorative slant to it, not as a simple descriptive word. Many gay people are aware of this type of rhetoric. If they hear you start talking about "homosexuals", they might simply assume that you are about to attack them, and they may tune you out.
If you simply cannot bring yourself to use the word "gay," then how about referring to "people with same-sex attractions (SSA)" as a more neutral descriptive term?

4. It's not fair to blame homosexuality for every bad thing that a gay person does, or for every bad thing that happens to a gay person.
Often in discussions of homosxuality, someone who is arguing in favor of accepting gay people will point out that homosexuality doesn't harm anyone. Inevitably, someone will object: "That's not true! A lady in our church was devastated when she found out that her husband was cheating on her with another man! How can you say that homosexuality didn't harm her?"

But it wasn't "homosexuality" that harmed her. When a married man has sex with someone other than his spouse, that is called "adultery." When a man doesn't tell his fiance about his same-sex attractions before the wedding, that is called "dishonesty." Obviously, non-gay people are just as capable of being dishonest and committing adultery as gay people. Why is it that when a straight man has an affair, no-one blames his heterosexuality? A gay man is just as capable as a non-gay man to be honest, and to keep the vows that he makes to another person.

"OK," someone will say, "but what about AIDS? I had a cousin who was gay, and he died of AIDS. Obviously his gay lifestyle was harmful - to himself!"

Two points here: First, there is not one, single "gay lifestyle." There are as many different "gay lifestyles" as there are gay people! Second, again, it's not fair to blame homosexuality - the gender of the person's sexual partners. Isn't it possible that some of the people who have died of AIDS had unprotected relations with multiple people? This is called "promiscuity." (Obviously not everyone with AIDS was promiscuous. Bear with me.) It's no secret that promiscuity can lead to STDs, including HIV infection. And gay people certainly have no monopoly on promiscuity. A person in a monogamous same-sex relationship is no more likely to get AIDS than a person in a monogamous opposite-sex relationship. Lesbians are among the group of people least likely to become infected with HIV.

So please, let's start calling things by their real names, like "dishonesty", "adultery", and "promiscuity", and stop blaming everything on "homosexuality."

I actually have a few more things that I wish non-gay Christians knew about gay people. But if I don't quit this post now, I may never get it done. Perhaps there will be a "part 2" in the future, but that's enough for now, I guess.

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kate said...

I actually didn't know that gay people didn't like the term homosexual. Can you maybe explain, too, what "queer" connotes? Because I hear some gay people using it with pride, but I can't help but think it's a slur, and I would never be comfortable saying it. (Same thing goes for a certain C-word that a lot of women like to describe themselves as--the connotations just are incompatible with my philosophy.)

Overall I think you're right that far too many non-gay Christians are glib about gay people. (Hmm. Can I say "gayness" as a substitution for "homosexuality"?) And it seems to me that we so often unfairly lump "our sins" apart from "THEIR sins," as if, somehow, this guy with the hookers every Friday at the motel is somehow still sexually good, but "hey, man, that [insert slur here], he's just PERVERTED!" That's always irritated me, that
self-righteousness about everyone who is "at least" straight, whatever they may do with that straightness.

BUT.

One thing you should know is that we who are not gay, who live in a straight world, etc., etc., are not presented with gay men like you very often. (Hang on, don't get mad yet.) What we see--on tv, in magazines, etc.--is the promiscuous, freaky types. Now, I'm willing to believe this could be the media's fault, but a part of the blame goes to those gay people who trumpet themselves as freaks, who want the world to look at them and be shocked. This is by no means the exclusive domain of gay men, oh no, but for a non-gay person who knows no gay people, this bad impression is very easily made. Gay men who live the same way non-gay people do simply don't get the attention. I'll grant that it could be out of fear of reprisal--of course. All I'm saying is, the bad impression straight people have of gay people was formed in part due to the way SOME (only SOME) gay people act. It's not because we want to think gay people are perverts (although of course some straight people probably do), it's just because it's all that's been presented to us.

About point #2--This is not a debate, this is not an attempt to say you're wrong or to discount anything you've gone through. I can imagine you have gone through hell struggling with your sexuality. No, I don't think a person chooses to be gay. I don't think you can do a thing about whether or not you're born gay. But having the tendency does not determine how a person *acts* on it. I seem to recall our having a discussion about this at some other time, and I fear I was too glib then, and I don't mean to get you angry or to discount you--I'm simply trying to point out that being gay, and knowing it, and not repressing it but being open about it--does not mean one *must* enagage in gay relationships, anymore than my being straight means I *must* engage in a straight relationship.

To clarify, I mean that while the guy you quoted is wrong--you did not choose to be gay (and why would being gay automatically mean the "consequence" of being attacked violently??)--we ALL choose how we will behave. We have free will. We are not fated to behave in one way or another--that includes good behaviors as well. It just seems to me that while of course, you're right, nobody chooses to be gay, or straight--some people jump right over the question of whether this automatically determines what you will do about it. (Many straight people choose to be celibate--of course far too many choose to sleep with everything that has two legs. . . .) To say that it does is to bypass free will.

That does not mean I'm saying that you AREN'T freely choosing to be--what's the word? actively? gay. But I AM saying that I find it incompatible with revelation that simply because we have no choice in our makeup, that it follows that we have no choice in how we respond to it. We are ALL capable of being saints given enough grace.

Okay, before you get mad, remember how many times I fed you dinner and let you sleep on my couch with your arm over your head! I love you!

3/28/2006 4:23 PM

 
kate said...

I want to add that I beg your forgiveness if ANYTHING I said angered you or was glib. I have no desire to "set you straight." I only want to be your friend, and I hope that's not contingent on my not voicing how I see it.

3/28/2006 4:31 PM

 
Brian said...

Kate, just a quick note now, I'm thinking about a longer response to your first post.

PLEASE don't worry. You didn't make me mad. :)

I love you, too.

3/28/2006 4:33 PM

 
kate said...

All is well then!

3/28/2006 4:52 PM

 
Travis said...

Brian: Thanks so much for these words. Your four wishes are all things that I have been trying to learn in my own life. One of the most eye-opening, and blessed experiences I have ever had was attending a "gay church", the local Abilene MCC. Out of the churches I have attended and visited in Abilene, this congregation has been the most loving group of Christians I have met. If straight Christians MUST talk against the "gay lifestyle", they must at least seek to explain the holy, hospitial, God-fearing, people loving, Christ-like "gay lifestyle" of the Christians who are members at the Exodus Metropolitan Community Church in Abilene, TX.

3/28/2006 5:20 PM

 
Brian said...

Kate,

First I should apologize. Your question about the word "queer" made me realize that my post could come across as sounding like I was trying to speak for all gay people. Obviously, I can't do that.

There are probably some gays and lesbians who have no particular problem with the word "homosexual." But it IS a pet peeve of mine, and I know I'm not alone in that.

Re: "queer", I am not a big fan of using that word myself. Originally, of course, it was a put down. Some gay people have started using it as an attempt to transform it. "Queer" is seen as a good thing, connoting healthy diversity, and a needed counterbalance to a stifling hegemony of sameness.

However, the word still sounds mean to me, and as I said, I don't like to use it. But some queers do. :)

Second, re: "choice". You are absolutely right that resolving the question of "choice" does not resolve the further questions about how we respond to our given nature, and the morality of any particular actions. My post is not really a defense of homosexuality on the merits (and I honestly would prefer that this thread not turn into that). Instead, it is a list of points which I consider to be very basic, but which, unfortunately, are still not understood by many people.

The post is not a defense of the morality of homosexuality, but rather part of the "baseline" understanding which I think we need to achieve before we can even begin to have that conversation.

re: wacky gays on TV giving bad impressions, I guess I will just say that this is a common situation for all kinds of groups.

People would be well served by actually getting to know some conservative Christians, instead of simply assuming that they are all like Jerry Falwell. In the same way, people would be well served by actually getting to know some gay people (Christian or otherwise), rather than simply assuming we are all like "Jack" from "Will and Grace."

3/28/2006 5:23 PM

 
Brian said...

Thanks, Travis. I remember your post about Exodus MCC (or was that Greg's post?). It sounds like a great congregation.

3/29/2006 4:02 PM

 
D Love said...

Thank you Brian for your comment on my blog. Your point about the word "homosexual" being a bad word is interesting because, like Kate, I did not know that "gay people didn't like the term homosexual." From my perspective, I thought "gay" seemed more derogatory. This word is used by teenagers a lot as a cut down or deragotory comment. I hear middle schoolers say "Thats gay" a lot nowadays. So much that it almost means the same as stupid, or weird, etc. How do gay people feel when they here people saying "Thats gay" as a derogatory comment? Thats just a question I wonder about. But anyway, thanks for including that point since it is something I have not heard before.

3/29/2006 5:44 PM

 
kate said...

Brian--I'll agree with everything in your comments to me. And I definitely don't want this to turn into a thread on the morality of being gay, either. :)

3/29/2006 8:01 PM

 
Brian said...

d love,

That's a good question about the word "gay". I have heard young people using it as a synonym for "stupid" or "uncool" or just plain, "I don't like it." That is a bit annoying. One time, I said to a friend who had just said, "that movie was gay", "You mean you just didn't like the movie, right?", and he said, "Oh. Yeah, sorry."

Maybe younger gay kids might start to dislike the word "gay" because of this phenomenon. I'm not sure. As I said to Kate, I can't really speak for all gay people. But as for me, I'd still much rather people used the word "gay" than "homosexual."

But perhaps I should clarify that point some more. That point is the one I feel least strongly about among the four. I know that lots of people don't realize there is anything wrong with the word "homosexual", so I'm not offended every time I hear it, nor do I go around correcting people about it all the time. But since the topic of the post was stuff I wish people knew, I included it in the list.

Thanks for commenting!

3/30/2006 10:34 AM

 
Jared Cramer said...

good post, thanks for sharing these points.

3/30/2006 3:13 PM

 
Hilary said...

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3/31/2006 6:40 PM

 
Hilary said...

Brian, I was led to your website through a friend, and commend you on an articulate, honest, and much needed post. As a musical theatre actress in NYC I am surrounded by many gay friends (many of whom are Christians!) and realize my experiences are not the norm for most people in society. One of the main points I have made to my church, my parents, etc. is that, as you said, there is no such thing as a "gay lifestyle". I know gay men who have rampant casual sex, sex only with their monogamous partner, are waiting until they are "married" to have sex (b/c "that's the choice I'd make if I were straight, why should I accept less b/c I'm gay"), and those who choose to be celibate. With that in mind, I cannot make a judgement about someone who is gay anymore than I can make a judgement about someone who is straight, considering it's not appropriate for me to ask which of the sexual paths above they're living by today. When someone comes to our church, as they have, and identifies themselves as gay, I cannot make any assumption I would not make for a straight person, and obviously I don't inquire into whether or not someone is practicing abstinence or having an affair before welcoming them.

In response to Kate's post, I wanted to echo what Brian said about every group being portrayed in a negative or stereotypical way in the media sometimes. I cannot tell you the number of times I have tensed up when a character on TV is identified as a Christian, or even worse, on a reality show. There must be so many people in this country who are disgusted that I call myself a Christian because of what they see in the media ... but it's just because they don't know me and other Christians like me. Really, I'm a pretty nice, average person. :-) So are my gay friends. I was featured in an article for Rolling Stone magazine last year about my choice to be abstinent. My comments were completely twisted, misunderstood, and I ended up entirely disagreeing with the article. I'm sure there are thousands of people out there who think I'm an idiot because of that article. The reality is, it didn't represent my views about a very persona choice at all whatsoever. I can only imagine there have been many gay individuals who also feel sick at how they've been misrepresented and misquoted. There is nothing that can compare to being my friend and having a personal conversation with me about my lifestyle and my beliefs, and I would say the same is true for getting to know a gay individual as an individual. And I do have a friend who is totally Jack from "Will and Grace". He's also a deeply Christian man who strives to make Godly choices in all aspects of his life ... so you can't always judge a book ...

3/31/2006 6:54 PM

 
Brian said...

Thanks, Hilary. You're right about not judging a book by it's cover.

4/06/2006 3:54 PM

 

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